This recent paper will be interesting for those who ponder
about ET life elsewhere:

<https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11307330/>


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Thanks August.
This article about the "Fermi Paradox" is a long one that I bookmarked to read later after signing out on the BBS

I got a 404 page when I clicked the link in Your post. but on that 404 page was a Search option that I entered PMC11307330 and that got me to the page the article was on.
Ed

This recent paper will be interesting for those who ponder
about ET life elsewhere:

<https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11307330/>

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Hello Ed Vance!

** On Monday 18.11.24 - 11:17, Ed Vance wrote to August Abolins:

I got a 404 page when I clicked the link in Your post. but on that 404 page was a Search option that I entered PMC11307330 and that got me to
the page the article was on.

Maybe your program had issues with the < and > brackets around
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Howdy August, It probably was those < > marks.
Another character I noticed messing up a link is a Period after the link.
I try to make a space then the dot after the link .

Computering is sometimes problematic, isn't it?
Ed
P.S. I thought Top Posting to someone's post caused some discussion years ago.

Maybe it still does.
Ed

Hello Ed Vance!

** On Monday 18.11.24 - 11:17, Ed Vance wrote to August Abolins:

Maybe your program had issues with the < and > brackets around
the link?

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Hello Ed Vance!

** On Tuesday 19.11.24 - 20:28, Ed Vance wrote to August Abolins:

P.S. I thought Top Posting to someone's post caused some
discussion years ago.

Maybe it still does.

Top-posting vs bottom-posting, makes no differene to me.

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TKS for the reply August.

Back when I logged on to this BBS with "A" Computer I entered my thoughts in between portions of the text someone wrote.

Until recently I have been putting my Reply below the post.
The other day I thought to try writing above the post I was replying to.

My thinking to do this was because reading some Amateur Radio posts that the writer put the newer message below the last one sent and I would have to scroll through all of the older posts on that Topic just to read the newer information.

I noticed this done on two Ham forums from different Networks.

Since this phone doesn't have CTRL snd End keys scrolling thru those kind of text takes a lot of effort - (for a lazy guy).

P.S. still playing with the BT on cellphone to Wired Router idea.
The Store I shopped at for computer things closed in my area and their nearest store is far away from my area.
The next town has another PC store , it may be closer than the business I've been using but I still have to drive a bit to shop there.

I miss the one that was close by.
Ed

Hello Ed Vance!

** On Tuesday 19.11.24 - 20:28, Ed Vance wrote to August Abolins:

Top-posting vs bottom-posting, makes no differene to me.

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Hi Ed,

On 2024-11-19 20:28:41, you wrote to August Abolins:

P.S. I thought Top Posting to someone's post caused some discussion
years ago.

Maybe it still does.

I think top posting and not trimming what you quote to the essentials, is just showing your lazyness to the world! ;-)


Bye, Wilfred.

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Hello Wilfred van Velzen!

** On Wednesday 20.11.24 - 10:58, Wilfred van Velzen wrote to Ed Vance:

I think top posting and not trimming what you quote to
the essentials, is just showing your lazyness to the
world! ;-)

I think Ed is using a phone for his echomail. Must be harder to
fiddle with Ctrl-Y (to delete lines), or highlight a block to
delete, than it is with a proper/physical keyboard.

If I recognize that someone has top-posted, I just look over
the bottom/quoted part for the essentials and skip the rest
like the extra taglines and origin lines. Easy to do.

This chatter is ephemeral. It doesn't need to always look
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Hi August,

On 2024-11-20 09:09:00, you wrote to me:

I think top posting and not trimming what you quote to
the essentials, is just showing your lazyness to the
world! ;-)

I think Ed is using a phone for his echomail. Must be harder to
fiddle with Ctrl-Y (to delete lines), or highlight a block to
delete, than it is with a proper/physical keyboard.

So it can be done on a phone too! So I stand by my proposition: Just lazyness. ;-)

If I recognize that someone has top-posted, I just look over
the bottom/quoted part for the essentials and skip the rest
like the extra taglines and origin lines. Easy to do.

Maybe easy to do, but also more effort on your part. So the lazyness of others makes your effort to understand a message harder! ;-)

This chatter is ephemeral. It doesn't need to always look
pretty. ;) :D

;-)

Bye, Wilfred.

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So it can be done on a phone too! So I stand by my proposition: Just lazyness. ;-)

Have YOU tried it on a phone?

If I recognize that someone has top-posted, I just look over
the bottom/quoted part for the essentials and skip the rest
like the extra taglines and origin lines. Easy to do.

Maybe easy to do, but also more effort on your part. So the lazyness of others makes your effort to understand a message harder! ;-)

Even "cleaning up" a message with Aftershock on a BlackBerry is bit tedious. I'd almost rather top-post and leave the stuff below as-is.

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August Abolins -> Wilfred van Velzen:

So it can be done on a phone too! So I stand by my proposition: Just lazyness. ;-)

Have YOU tried it on a phone?

If I recognize that someone has top-posted, I just look over
the bottom/quoted part for the essentials and skip the rest
like the extra taglines and origin lines. Easy to do.

Maybe easy to do, but also more effort on your part. So the lazyness

of WvV> others makes your effort to understand a message harder! ;-)

Even "cleaning up" a message with Aftershock on a BlackBerry is bit tedious. I'd almost rather top-post and leave the stuff below as-is.

Yes, indeed it is tedious...

But, at least in Aftershock, I find it easier to move to the bottom of the message and type my reply there, than top-posting.

I hope that some day its developer can improve quoting removal. Maybe something like in HotdogEd...

Carlos

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Howdy! Winfred, my using a cellphone isn't lazy.
It'S very difficult.
After my Internet connection to my home computer system failed two years ago I missed logging on a BBS and reading email.
Fiber failed to work and except for Cable Internet Fiber is the only service offered now that DSL service no longer is available.

The cellphone gives me access now but isn't anything near what my home computer system could do.
Ed

Hi Ed,

On 2024-11-19 20:28:41, you wrote to August Abolins:

I think top posting and not trimming what you quote to the essentials, is just showing your lazyness to the world! ;-)

Bye, Wilfred.

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Hello Wilfred van Velzen!

** On Wednesday 20.11.24 - 10:58, Wilfred van Velzen wrote to Ed Vance:

I think Ed is using a phone for his echomail. Must be harder to
fiddle with Ctrl-Y (to delete lines), or highlight a block to
delete, than it is with a proper/physical keyboard.

If I recognize that someone has top-posted, I just look over
the bottom/quoted part for the essentials and skip the rest
like the extra taglines and origin lines. Easy to do.

This chatter is ephemeral. It doesn't need to always look
pretty. ;) :D

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!

Thank You August
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Winfred, what is Your experience with using a virtual keyboard on a cellphone? Ed

Hi August,

On 2024-11-20 09:09:00, you wrote to me:

So it can be done on a phone too! So I stand by my proposition: Just lazyness. ;-)

Maybe easy to do, but also more effort on your part. So the lazyness of others makes your effort to understand a message harder! ;-)

;-)

Bye, Wilfred.

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Hi August,

On 2024-11-20 09:09:00, you wrote to me:

So it can be done on a phone too! So I stand by my proposition: Just lazyness. ;-)

Maybe easy to do, but also more effort on your part. So the lazyness of others makes your effort to understand a message harder! ;-)

;-)

Bye, Wilfred.

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Top posting on a post let's Me read updated information.
And after reading that even if I don't want to read the text below I still want to see if there is a Tagline that is interesting to me.
Ed
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Hi August,

On 2024-11-20 15:19:13, you wrote to me:

So it can be done on a phone too! So I stand by my proposition: Just
lazyness. ;-)

Have YOU tried it on a phone?

I didn't say it was easy. ;-)


Bye, Wilfred.

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Hi Ed,

On 2024-11-20 16:13:21, you wrote to me:

I think top posting and not trimming what you quote to the essentials,
is just showing your lazyness to the world! ;-)

Howdy! Winfred, my using a cellphone isn't lazy.

You almost got my name right. :-/

It'S very difficult.
After my Internet connection to my home computer system failed two years ago I
missed logging on a BBS and reading email.
Fiber failed to work and except for Cable Internet Fiber is the only service
offered now that DSL service no longer is available.

The cellphone gives me access now but isn't anything near what my home computer system could do. Ed

Don't take my message to serious! ;-)


Bye, Wilfred.

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Hi Ed,

On 2024-11-20 16:18:38, you wrote to me:

I think top posting and not trimming what you quote to the essentials,
is just showing your lazyness to the world! ;-)

Winfred, what is Your experience with using a virtual keyboard on a cellphone?

I didn't say it was easy!


Bye, Wilfred.

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Hi Wilfred
I apologize for misspelling Your Name.
Seriously, My reason for using a Bulletin Board is to learn from others who write about their successes, failures and wants.
If I don't see a grin at the end of a statement I accept what's written as facts.

After getting a Novice Amateur Radio Operators License I became a member of an older Club instead of the Club the younger Hams that I knew belonged to.

I figured that I would learn more by associating with the older Hams than I could from the Club my friends were members of.
Years later I was a member of both clubs. and learned many Hams there were also in both Radio Clubs.

I am sorta like Sargent Joe Friday - Just The Facts, Mam (Sir).

Sorry again for Ed's Head (C) TM not remembering the correct spelling of Your Name.
I have got and written posts to You years back when the home computer system had SLMR and MultiMail Readers on them where I saw the message header at the top of the screen "I think" even when I scrolled far down in a message I was replying to in a QWK packet.
Haven't got the BIG BOX PC turned on to see if the thoughts I just wrote were correct.
Lots of people I talk to just shake their heads as they walk away from Me especially after I say:
" Z Y X W V U T S R Q P O N M L K J I H G F E D C B A" to them very rapidly, on a good day I can say that in 3.5 seconds.
In the 60 years of saying the Alphabet backwards three times young girls (8th Graders) have finished before I got to A.
There is always Something or Someone to keep Me humble. That's a Fact.

I see another Reply from You in this forum, hope I spell Wi?fred correct in that post .
Ed

Hi Ed,

On 2024-11-20 16:13:21, you wrote to me:

You almost got my name right. :-/

Don't take my message to serious! ;-)

Bye, Wilfred.

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Hi, Wilfred, I got this cellphone in January this year (2024) and it ain't been easy learning the Ins and Outs of the Android OS.

I have read that Android OS is a Linux type OS.
I have downloaded Ubuntu versions from 7.04 to I think 12LTS and used (Not Installed) U'u on CD's to play (and learn) with it.
It has been a long time since I used any of those CD's but I did get comfortable with the Terminal program
(sorry to pat myself on my back, even though I Know my wrist, elbow and shoulder hurts afterwards).

Ed

Hi Ed,

On 2024-11-20 16:18:38, you wrote to me:

I didn't say it was easy!

Bye, Wilfred.

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Re: t vs b posting
By: August Abolins to Wilfred van Velzen on Wed Nov 20 2024 15:19:13

Have YOU tried it on a phone?

Pffft...I wouldn't want to.
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Hi Ed,

On 2024-11-20 20:15:36, you wrote to me:

Hi Wilfred
I apologize for misspelling Your Name.

Thanks, no problem. ;-)

Seriously, My reason for using a Bulletin Board is to learn from
others who
write about their successes, failures and wants.
If I don't see a grin at the end of a statement I accept what's written as facts.

There was a smiley on my original reply to you!

I see another Reply from You in this forum, hope I spell Wi?fred
correct in that post .

Again almost in the above sentence. ;-)


Bye, Wilfred.

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Hi Ed,

On 2024-11-20 20:32:02, you wrote to me:

I have read that Android OS is a Linux type OS.

Afaik, it is just another flavour of Linux.

Bye, Wilfred.

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Wilfred, You said flavor where I said type.
Your word better describes what I was trying to say.
THANKS!
Ed

Hi Ed,

On 2024-11-20 20:32:02, you wrote to me:

Afaik, it is just another flavour of Linux.

Bye, Wilfred.

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Re: t vs b posting
By: August Abolins to Wilfred van Velzen on Wed Nov 20 2024 15:19:13

Have YOU tried it on a phone?

Pffft...I wouldn't want to.
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Well.. there *is* a certain cool factor accessing echomail in a portable and literally mobile way. btw, I took someone else's observation of bottom posting yeah, this is easier. :D

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Well.. there *is* a certain cool factor accessing echomail in a portable and literally mobile way. btw, I took someone else's observation of bottom posting yeah, this is easier. :D

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Well Sir, After reading Your mention of Bottom Posting I guess I will go back to that since ithe [Quote] button on the BBS shows the quoted text and it is easier for This Old Lazy Bugger to begin typing below the quote instead of scrolling to the top of it to start my Reply.
Thanks August.
Ed
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August Abolins wrote to Mortar M. <=-

Well.. there *is* a certain cool factor accessing echomail in a
portable and literally mobile way. btw, I took someone else's
observation of bottom posting yeah, this is easier. :D

During last winter's storms, I went through an extended period at my
house without power. realitycheckBBS was running in Windows 10 on a
laptop, so I brought the whole thing with me to a Starbucks, logged into
their wifi, crashed my uplinks, then crashed all of my downlinks.

It doesn't get more mobile than taking the whole BBS with you. :)



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Well.. there *is* a certain cool factor accessing echomail in a
portable and literally mobile way.

During last winter's storms, I went through an extended period at my
house without power. realitycheckBBS was running in Windows 10 on a laptop, so I brought the whole thing with me to a Starbucks, logged into their wifi, crashed my uplinks, then crashed all of my downlinks.

How far did you have to drive to do that?

It doesn't get more mobile than taking the whole BBS with you. :)

Indeed!

Someone posted about a BBS project operating entirely on a phone. Not sure how practical that is.

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August Abolins wrote to Kurt Weiske <=-

During last winter's storms, I went through an extended period at my
house without power. realitycheckBBS was running in Windows 10 on a laptop, so I brought the whole thing with me to a Starbucks, logged into their wifi, crashed my uplinks, then crashed all of my downlinks.

How far did you have to drive to do that?

Memory fades - actually once I went to a local starbucks a couple of
miles away, the other time I went into my office 20 miles away. Took
the opportunity to copy all of my media to OneDrive as well, since it
was during the lockdown and I had 2 600/600 internet circuits sitting
idle.

Someone posted about a BBS project operating entirely on a phone. Not sure how practical that is.

If there was a cloudflare daemon for Android, maybe - don't think phone
IPs are accessible from the outside.




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Re: t vs b posting
By: Ed Vance to August Abolins on Fri Nov 22 2024 11:25:03

Well Sir, After reading Your mention of Bottom Posting I guess I will go back to that...

Power to the Bottom Posters! :)
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Re: bbs chat the mobile way..
By: August Abolins to Kurt Weiske on Sat Nov 23 2024 19:16:43

Someone posted about a BBS project operating entirely on a phone. Not sure how practical that is.

You can kiss your battery goodbye.
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Hello Kurt!

Someone posted about a BBS project operating entirely on
a phone. Not sure how practical that is.

If there was a cloudflare daemon for Android, maybe -
don't think phone IPs are accessible from the outside.

I am unsuccessful in trying to find the posts about the
project. But I think the idea was to run the phone as the
server. And as long as the phone is always powered (such as
always charging) then it always accessible to visitors.

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Hello Mortar M.!

Someone posted about a BBS project operating entirely on a phone. Not
sure how practical that is.

You can kiss your battery goodbye.

Perfectly doable if the phone is charging at the same time.

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Re: t vs b posting
By: Ed Vance to August Abolins on Fri Nov 22 2024 11:25:03

Power to the Bottom Posters! :)
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OOPS!, I am top posting again.

Whatever.....
Ed
P.S. I thought I was until I looked before Saving my post.
P.P.S.
It is easier for me to tap the virtual keyboard while clogged in by holding the phone horizontally. But I can't see the whole message.
Vertically shows less text and I hafta scroll to read all that's written. Keyboard is real tiny in the vertical position.
DUH
Ed
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On 24 Nov 2024, August Abolins said the following...

I am unsuccessful in trying to find the posts about the
project. But I think the idea was to run the phone as the
server. And as long as the phone is always powered (such as
always charging) then it always accessible to visitors.

Wouldn't it be similar to Aftershock ?

... Electricity is really just organized lightning.

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Hello Flavio!

Wouldn't it be similar to Aftershock ?

No. This was a complete BBS project operating on a smartphone.

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On Wednesday November 27 2024, August Abolins said the following...

Hello Flavio!

Wouldn't it be similar to Aftershock ?

No. This was a complete BBS project operating on a smartphone.

I remember this as well, I believe it was a version of Mystic for the Pi that was running on an Android phone.


Jay

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On 27 Nov. 2024 21:47, you wrote..

I remember this as well, I believe it was a version of Mystic for the Pi that was running on an Android phone.

There was a website describing the project. I can't find it anymore. Not sure in which echo/network it was mentioned.


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I remember this as well, I believe it was a version of Mystic for the Pi
that was running on an Android phone.

There was a website describing the project. I can't find it anymore. Not sure in which echo/network it was mentioned.

But not to be confused with BBS-on-a-Stick.

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On 28 Nov 2024, August Abolins said the following...

I remember this as well, I believe it was a version of Mystic for the that was running on an Android phone.

There was a website describing the project. I can't find it anymore. Not sure in which echo/network it was mentioned.

It looks like it was MeaTLoTioN who was describing it in FSX_GEN (MSGID: 21:1/158 dd37718d) back in November of 2020.

He got Mystic running on a OnePlus 6T, calling it "phOnE In mY pOckEt BBS" or "PIMP BBS" for short.


Jay

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Hello Jay!

It looks like it was MeaTLoTioN who was describing it in FSX_GEN (MSGID: 21:1/158 dd37718d) back in November of 2020.

He got Mystic running on a OnePlus 6T, calling it "phOnE In mY pOckEt
BBS" or "PIMP BBS" for short.

Thanks for looking that up. I havent' retained my FSX_GEN
messages for that long.

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On 27 Nov 2024, August Abolins said the following...

No. This was a complete BBS project operating on a smartphone.

I see. Interesting.

... Do vegetarians eat animal crackers?

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On 28 Nov 2024, August Abolins said the following...

But not to be confused with BBS-on-a-Stick.

???

... What was the best thing before sliced bread?

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But not to be confused with BBS-on-a-Stick.

???

See https://8bitboyz.com/download/bbs-on-a-stick-v2-0


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